you can bet they have worked on a phone that would meet their standards and avoid cannibalizing the high-end iphones. if they release one, that's a bigger story. >> apple stock, a buy or a sell? the stock hovering around $500 a share. still well below its all-time high, so is it a buy or not? on the technical side of the story ennis tanner with me with riskreversal.com and on the tech fundamental side, jeff, we'll start with you. >> growth rates in china, it's huge, but i think there's a bigger story here in apple, and we can talk the numbers to death, but there's a transition going on. over the last six years apple has been this hyper growth company with an investor base that included everybody, including your mom, including your aunt and uncles, and now apple is starting to transform into a solid growth company, and that's why we think it's a long-term buy. we're going to see. this quarter coming up is going to be very important, and the growth in china is going to be extremely important but this is going to be a staple because over the next three to five years i know i'm going to get a co